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Ukraina vai CIA lavasti ISIKsen?
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TJT2
2024-03-24 06:18:45 UTC
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During the horrendous attack, four armed terrorists stormed the Crocus City
Hall, where a concert was being held. The terrorists opened fire at
civilians causing a state of panic, then set the hall on fire before
fleeing. At least 133 lost their lives in the attack, while more than 145
others were wounded.

ISIS quickly jumped to claim responsibility for the attack in a statement
released late on March 22 by its official news agency, Amaq.
x x
The statement was very general and didn't provide any details about the
attack or the terrorists involved. Amaq released a follow up statement on
March 23, along with a blurred photo of the terrorists in front of a
makeshift ISIS flag.
x x
Aside from the attached photo, there was no information about the
terrorists. ISIS didn't mention their nationality, names or even their nom
de guerre, which is very unusual.

Right before the release of Amaq's second statement, Russian security forces
apprehended the four terrorists in the Bryansk region, close to the border
with Ukraine. Seven others suspected of facilitating the attack were also
arrested. Soon after, the Russian Ministry of Interior revealed that none of
the terrorists were Russian nationals. Preliminary information indicates
that at least some of the terrorists were from Tajikistan.

The arrest provided the first evidence indicating that ISIS was somehow
involved in the attack, at least when it comes to providing a cover for it.

Footage of the detained terrorists show that at least three of them were
wearing shirts similar to the ones worn by the four men in Amaq's photo.

Still, ISIS failure to name the terrorists or at least mention their nom de
guerre raises suspicion of how much the group really knew about the attack
or its real perpetrators.

What further added to the suspicions was the initial confessions of the
detained terrorists, who didn't mention ISIS but talked about receiving
money -half a million Russian rubles and instruction for the attack from
unknown handlers over the internet.

The initial confessions as well as the fact that the terrorists didn't
commit suicide after the attack or at least fight until death to resist
arrest, as typical for jihadists, indicate that they were not really
ideologically motivated, but rather radical mercenaries.

The location where the terrorists were apprehended provided the first hint
of who may really be behind the attack in Moscow.

The four terrorists were clearly planning to cross into Ukraine. This was
confirmed by Russian President Vladimer Putin, who said in his first address
to the nation after the deadly attack that the terrorists were trying to
cross the border with Ukraine where a "window" was prepared on the Ukrainian
side.

While senior Ukrainian officials denied any involvement in the attack, they
were quick to attempt to blame it on the Russian government itself.

Andrii Yusov, a spokesperson of Ukraine's Main Directorate of Intelligence
(HUR), told Ukrainska Pravda just minutes after the initial reports of the
attack that the shooting was a "deliberate provocation by Putin's special
services." At the time, there were no official accusations from the Russian
side. Yusov's odd remarks might have been a pre-prepared attempt to deflect
responsibility.

The Kiev regime had the motive to plot the attack. In the few weeks leading
to the attack, Kiev forces attacked Russian territories with rockets, drones
and missiles on a daily basis. There have also been several attempts to
infiltrate the regions of Belgorod and Kursk. Radical jihadists even took
part in these attempts. These attacks were means to disturb the Russian
presidential elections and terrorize the Russian population in general.

The attack in Moscow in fact took place right after two waves of Russian
retaliatory strikes that targeted Ukraine on March 21 and early on March 22.

The involvement of Ukrainian intelligence appears to be certain and ISIS
attempted to cover for the attack by claiming responsibility was more of a
false-flag operation. However, the two were not likely the only sides
involved in the terrorist attack.

Information leaked by Russian news sources indicates that the U.S. Central
Intelligence Agency (CIA) was involved in the attack.

Just two weeks before the attack, the U.S. embassy in Moscow called on
American citizens in Russia to avoid gatherings without providing a reason.

According to the leaked information, the four terrorists were recruited for
the attack by a Tajaki named Salmon Khurasani, who has links to both the CIA
and ISIS' wing in central Asia that is known as the Islamic State - Khorasan
Province or ISIS-K. While ISIS didn't mention that the attack was carried
out by its Khorasan wing, initial reports in the Western mainstream media
blamed the attack specifically on ISIS-K.

The CIA being the central link between Ukraine and ISIS is not surprising.
Recent reports, specifically one released by The New York Times last
February, details how the HUR basically became a branch of the CIA after the
Ukrainian regime change of 2014.

Of course, such a plot couldn't have been developed without the knowledge of
the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, which is heavily active in
Ukraine.

Senior Russian officials, including President Putin, have already vowed to
hold the perpetrators of the terrorist attack accountable. The interrogation
of the four terrorists and their suspected facilitators will likely reveal
more about the roles of the sides involved in this deadly plot.

All in all, a logical analysis of available information indicates that ISIS
was used as a cover, or a false flag, by the real perpetrators, who appear
to be the Kiev regime and its allies in the West.
x x x
https://www.southfront.press/masterminds-behind-moscow-terrorist-attack-used-isis-as-false-flag-to-hide-trace/
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--TJT--
JiiPee
2024-03-24 08:10:05 UTC
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Eihän tuossa ollutkaan kuin yli 15 loogista virhettä mitä löysin tästä
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ISIS quickly jumped to claim responsibility
Aivan samoin kuin ISIS on aikaisemminkin NOPEASTI ottanut vastuun
hyökkäyksestä. Esim. Tammikuussa oli terrori isku Iranissa. Tapahtui
Keskiviikkona, ja ISIS sanoi että se teki sen heti seuraavana päivänä
Torstaina:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-vows-revenge-after-biggest-attack-since-1979-revolution-2024-01-04/


for the attack in a
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statement released late on March 22 by its official news agency, Amaq.
x x
The statement was very general and didn't provide any details about the
attack or the terrorists involved. Amaq released a follow up statement
on March 23, along with a blurred photo of the terrorists in front of a
makeshift ISIS flag.
x x
Aside from the attached photo,
ei ainoastaan kuvia, vaan myös video ISIS in toimesta:

Insia Today

there was no information about the
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terrorists. ISIS didn't mention their nationality, names or even their
nom de guerre, which is very unusual.
Ilmoittiko ISIS aina KAIKISSA aikaisemmissa iskuissaan KAIKKIEN
hyökkääjien kansalaisuuden, nimet jne.? todiste tästä? Epäilempä... eipä
terroristit aina noita infoja lähetä ympäri maailmaa eri iskuissa.
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Right before the release of Amaq's second statement, Russian security
forces apprehended the four terrorists in the Bryansk region, close to
the border with Ukraine.
"unohdettiin" mainita että tuo Bryansk alue on myös lähellä Belarusta,
mutta ehkä se ei ole oleellista?

Minne niiden olisi ollut parempi paeta että eivät jää kiinni? Itään
siperiaan? vai pohjoiseen pohjois-navalle?

Seven others suspected of facilitating the
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attack were also arrested. Soon after, the Russian Ministry of Interior
revealed that none of the terrorists were Russian nationals. Preliminary
information indicates that at
least some of the terrorists were from
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Tajikistan.
niin, eli ei siis Ukrainalaisia
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Still, ISIS failure to name the terrorists or at least mention their nom
de guerre raises suspicion of how much the group really knew about the
attack or its real perpetrators.
Ilmoittiko ISIS aina KAIKISSA aikaisemmissa iskuissaan KAIKKIEN
hyökkääjien kansalaisuuden, nimet jne.? todiste tästä? Epäilempä... eipä
terroristit aina noita infoja lähetä ympäri maailmaa eri iskuissa.
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What further added to the suspicions was the initial confessions of the
detained terrorists, who didn't mention ISIS but talked about receiving
money -half a million Russian rubles and instruction for the attack from
unknown handlers over the internet.
Onko mahdollista että ISIS rahoittaisi jonkun agencyn tekemään omaa
työtään? ihan vaan mietittäväksi...

Meidän yritys ostaa palveluita muilta, mutta tuote silti mainostetaan
meidän tuotteena. aika normaalia busineksessä ainakin.
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The initial confessions as well as the fact that the terrorists didn't
commit suicide after the attack or at least fight until death to resist
arrest, as typical for jihadists, indicate that they were not really
ideologically motivated, but rather radical mercenaries.
Ehkä ISIS maksoi heille.... osti palvelun ulkopuolelta? näinhän meidän
yrityksessä tehdään joskus.
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The location where the terrorists were apprehended provided the first
hint of who may really be behind the attack in Moscow.
Ei ei ja ei.

Jos minä matkustan lähelle Saksaa Natsi-Saksan aikana, tarkoittaako se
että olen Natsi Saksaan yhteydessä? No ei....

ei se, että menee jonkun lähelle tarkoita että sillä on yhteyttä siihen
jonka lähelle se menee. simple...

voi olla MONTA syytä miksi joku menee jonkun lähelle... eikä välttämättä
se syy mitä sinä luulet.
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The four terrorists were clearly planning to cross into Ukraine. This
Todiste? Minä en ole nähnyt todistetta tälle.

Ja vaikka olisikin totta, mitä se todistaisi? Jos minä matkustan
Kieviin, tarkoittaako se että minä olen suunnittelemassa hyökkkäystä
Moscovaan tai olen suunnittelemassa liittyä Ukrainan armeijaan?

logiikkaa, logiikkaa...
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was confirmed by Russian President Vladimer Putin,
haha, onko puttini joku asiantuntija tutkimuksissa? huonostihan tuo
ainakin antoi historian opetusta joku aika sitten...

who said in his first
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address to the nation after the deadly attack that the terrorists were
trying to cross the border with Ukraine where a "window" was prepared on
the Ukrainian side.
haha. sieltähän niitä conspiracy teorioita taas suolletaan...
otetaan Ukraina-kortti hihasta.
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While senior Ukrainian officials denied any involvement in the attack,
jeps. Senhän ne heti sanoi, että ei ole mitään tekemistä asian kanssa,
ja miksi olisi? Mitä tämä hyödyttäisi Ukrainaa? Ja mitä haittaa
toisaalta siitä olisi? kumpi olisi vaa assa parempi ukrainalle? Uskon
että tämä olisi hyvän paha Ukrainalle strategisesti.
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they were quick to attempt to blame it on the Russian government itself.
niin, että venäjä ei suojele omiaan terrori iskuilta, se näyttäisi
olevan totta... koska olihan tuosta varoitusta äskettäin, mutta venäjä
ei paljon näyttänyt reagoivan.
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Andrii Yusov, a spokesperson of Ukraine's Main Directorate of
Intelligence (HUR), told Ukrainska Pravda just minutes after the initial
reports of the attack that the shooting was a "deliberate provocation by
Putin's special services." At the time, there were no official
accusations from the Russian side. Yusov's odd remarks might have been a
pre-prepared attempt to deflect responsibility.
Ukraina voi myös tehdä vääriä kommentteja, mutta kommenttien teko ei
todista tekoa itsessään.
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The Kiev regime had the motive to plot the attack.
väärin. tuolla on enemmän haittaa kuin hyötyä. Länsi saattaisi esim.
lopettaa Ukrainan auttamisen jos Ukraina teki sen. Ei länsi tykkää
tuollaisista siviileihin kohdistuneista terrori iskuista.


In the few weeks
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leading to the attack, Kiev forces attacked Russian territories with
rockets, drones and missiles on a daily basis.
ja venäjä ei tee suunnilleen samaa?

taitaa muuten tehdä, ja vielä PALJON enemmän itseasiassa. peiliin
katsominen?

There have also been
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several attempts to infiltrate the regions of Belgorod and Kursk.
Radical jihadists even took part in these attempts. These attacks were
means to disturb the Russian presidential elections
vaalit? vai "vaalit"?



... en jaksa etsiä kaikki virheitä....
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All in all, a logical analysis of available information indicates that
ISIS was used as a cover, or a false flag,
ei ollenkaan kerro tuosta. en ole nähnyt YHTÄÄN vahvaa todistetta että
olisi Ukrainan järjestämä. täynnä arvailuja ja conspiracy teorioita....
ei todistetta.


by the real perpetrators, who
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appear to be the Kiev regime and its allies in the West.
x x x
https://www.southfront.press/masterminds-behind-moscow-terrorist-attack-used-isis-as-false-flag-to-hide-trace/
JiiPee
2024-03-24 08:18:55 UTC
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address to the nation after the deadly attack that the terrorists were
trying to cross the border with Ukraine where a "window" was prepared
on the Ukrainian side.
haha. sieltähän niitä conspiracy teorioita taas suolletaan...
otetaan Ukraina-kortti hihasta.
Hyvinhän tuo Zelenski napautti takaisin:
"Sen sijaan, että tohelo Putin huolehtisi Venäjän kansalaisista, hän
vaikenee päiväksi ja pohtii, miten vetää Ukraina mukaan tapahtuneeseen.
Tämä oli täysin ennustettavissa, Zelenskyi sanoi videoviestissään."
JiiPee
2024-03-24 08:22:55 UTC
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address to the nation after the deadly attack that the terrorists
were trying to cross the border with Ukraine where a "window" was
prepared on the Ukrainian side.
haha. sieltähän niitä conspiracy teorioita taas suolletaan...
otetaan Ukraina-kortti hihasta.
"Sen sijaan, että tohelo Putin huolehtisi Venäjän kansalaisista, hän
vaikenee päiväksi ja pohtii, miten vetää Ukraina mukaan tapahtuneeseen.
Tämä oli täysin ennustettavissa, Zelenskyi sanoi videoviestissään."
on aika "huvittavaa" että TJT menee mukaan tuohon lankaan mitä putin
gansterit nytkin yrittävät propagandassaan.

mutta kuten sanoin aikaisemmin, jos menee mukaan väärälle puolelle,
silloin MONET logiikat sumentuu jos ei ole tarkkana. Eli ratkaisuhan
tässä on että TJT n täytyy muuttaa puolta ja sanoa venäjän hyökkäystä
moraalisesti vääräksi... tällöin myös aukeavat tällaiset itsestään
selvät logiikatkin :).
JiiPee
2024-03-24 08:23:52 UTC
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on aika "huvittavaa" että TJT menee mukaan tuohon lankaan mitä putin
gansterit nytkin yrittävät propagandassaan.
putin suoltaa conspiracy teorioita kuin liukuhihnalta, ilman selvää
todistetta.
JiiPee
2024-03-24 08:43:37 UTC
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Aside from the attached photo, there was no information about the
terrorists.
"Moskovan terrori-iskussa kuoli ainakin 133 ihmistä – "

"...Isis julkaisi videon iskusta"
https://yle.fi/a/74-20080592

ai niin, onko yle mukana conspiracy teoriassa?

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